Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Episode 4 Discussion

Apr 28, 2015 1:14 PM

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I think it is very difficult to really capture the emotiona via anime like the LN does, but I enjoyed this episode very much. I animation and VA is top notch. The subtle gestures and facial expression come across well.

指が折れるまで！

Apr 28, 2015 11:28 PM

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I liked the use of body language in this episode, especially with that gap between Orimoto and Hachiman during the movie.

Apr 28, 2015 11:36 PM

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kuity said:

NudeBear said:

Yukino's acting this way because she cares about Hachiman. Though the two of them wouldn't admit it they've actually grown closer since the first episode in season 1, but are now growing apart because of their difference in opinions. She's irritated, and disappointed in Hachiman. Hardly being cold-hearted. She's not the only one at fault here. Hachmina's also being stubborn and unreasonable. In fact, he is to blame for the current tensions in their club. Yui's the only one(Best girl?) who realizes this, and because of that she's going to fight against both of them to fix things.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think there's any romantic tension between the two of them. Out of the main characters Yui is the only one with a love interest.

You are so wrong. I don't think the anime does it justice but there were obvious scenes in the LN where there was romantic tension. Like I forgot which chapter it was they were looking at the stars together or something.

Anyway I don't think the voice actress suits Yukinoshita. Far too moe.

We are talking about the anime, not the LN. Show has shown little to no romantic tension between Yukino and Hachiman.

I did read the first volume though, so there's that. I'll try to catch up.

P.S. yay new episode in two days

Apr 28, 2015 11:49 PM

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Terapin said:
I mean, it may be boring for you, but personally, I don't see what everyone keeps saying is so overtly emotional.

It's about the tone.

We don't need suspenseful, tense, murder-mystery detective music when the setting of the scene is discussing who is going to be the class president of a freaking high school. I literally don't care about GIRL #3A27 and her inability to say "nah guys, no thanks" to her class for nominating her. The plot is not compelling in the slightest. And you may say that it's not about the "plot", and that series of events is just a setup to explore the characters and yada yada yada that's what the story's really about. And you're right.

But the characters behave completely unnaturally. These types of stories, the ones that revolve around characters, fall completely apart if the characters are unable to connect with the audience. Everybody acts like a weirdo space alien or something. There is no natural flow to anything. They say lines like they're reading off a script, and the tone builds it up like they're actually doing something important.

Everything's got a weirdly sterile and calculated feeling. Like I said everything seems scripted. Which, well, it is. But a story revolving around being human should make a good effort to have its characters actually appear human. There's no subtlety. There's too much self-importance without any content to back it up.

I blame the director, because I've heard things about the original LN that would solve some problems I have with the show.

I'll take a line from Family Guy of all places:

It insists upon itself.

Apr 29, 2015 3:05 AM

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Red_Keys said:

But the characters behave completely unnaturally. These types of stories, the ones that revolve around characters, fall completely apart if the characters are unable to connect with the audience. Everybody acts like a weirdo space alien or something. There is no natural flow to anything. They say lines like they're reading off a script, and the tone builds it up like they're actually doing something important.

Everything's got a weirdly sterile and calculated feeling. Like I said everything seems scripted. Which, well, it is. But a story revolving around being human should make a good effort to have its characters actually appear human. There's no subtlety. There's too much self-importance without any content to back it up.

I blame the director, because I've heard things about the original LN that would solve some problems I have with the show.

I'll take a line from Family Guy of all places:

It insists upon itself.

Not going to say anything about the overall ambience or tone.

It's not class prez btw; the elections are for student council president. It's a big responsibility to shoulder, but I digress. She can't very well say no for reason that are well explained in the episode itself.

I don't find any of the characters acting unnaturally. All of them are, as I explained in the post above, disturbed to some extend. They're not making a spectacle out of it in the least, what with brooding in the rooftop or skipping school or something like that; what is the biggest thing that has happened insofar? Yukino disagreeing with 8man? Saying they'll work separately for this one? What is so sterile and scripted about that?

Yukino having to restrict her club activities is a real prospect if she runs for president, they have every reason to act distressed at that. You say there's no natural flow to any of the events; but isn't that true to these characters? They over analyse and try to find hidden agendas, meanings, in innocuous gestures. That said, aside from Yukino giving 8man something of a cold shoulder (meaning she's not calling him useless-kun or pest anymore), the club routine was not very out of the norm. The tension is overstated by the narrative, but understated in the character's actions.

This contrast is ultimately detrimental, however your point of character's acting unnatural doesn't stand. Their decisions and motivations are very much in line with their established personalities - now if you were of the opinion their personalities themselves were sterile in the first place - then it is understandable. As I see it, it is only now that the characters are breaking out of their established archetypes to flesh out the different facets/dimensions to their personality. That itself makes the story organic. Conflict augments development. For characters as deeply insecure, intelligent and quibbling as these; the smallest details are what spark conflicts or wounds their pride. These are trivial matters from an adult's perspective, but they think and make the world out of these trivial matters; because their small circle is the world to them and that makes them more human than any of the characters I have came across in anime in recent times.

I dare say there's a good deal of subtlety to the story and characters. The heavy handed narrative gives it a self aware, in your face type of vibe, but if you're willing to put that aside, a lot of the character motivations are still within layers of layers. The number of blog posts numbering into tens of thousands of words the four episodes aired so far has incited should speak something to that effect.

Look at root cause of disturbance in the club. A lot of people are insisting on Yukino being a bitch because she's in odds with Hikki; unable to accept the epic greatness of the heroic anime batman.

The show goes to great lengths to give her actions a layer - of the entire dislike of superficiality, pretences etc etc etc. She even says that out loud. But consider this. As the coming events make evident, Yukino's problem isn't entirely or even for the most part with Hachiman's self sacrifice or compromise of ideals. This more has to do with her pride, and as Haruno eggs her on, she is gradually coming to realize that all this time, she's been repeatedly depending on Hachiman to get things done. Every. single. time.

Her current conviction is a way to build her own self esteem and restore her own pride. The show implies otherwise, but this is something we gradually come to understand, yet if we are willing to look, the clues are out in the open even now.

The obvious, self important and artificial explanation to her actions is something the show, to quote your quotation, insists upon itself. But the more fundamental, more human motivation is what lies underneath the underneath. Her motivation is inferred by many as hurt at Hachiman's method, and a whole lot of people are insulting her for going about that the wrong way, desperately maintaining that his way of doing things is not wrong. And those people are not wrong. There is definitely some amount of concern for 8man motivating her actions. Now the adaptation itself takes the pain to imply that her primary motivator is disappointment. Disappointment at his compromise of brutal honesty. And that too is certainly not a wrong assumption. But as we go forward, it becomes increasingly evident that neither of these are answers. The answer is more base, more human and irrational - it is her own wounded pride, rooting from feelings of inferiority towards Hachiman's perfect solutions when they count - in the moment. Yukino's efforts to provide stable, long time solutions are ultimately futile. Hachiman always, always, gets results when they matter - no matter how brittle his results are.

I think there is genuine emotion to these characters without any external sources of drama. I've laid out my case, and it's not like anything you say would affect my opinion just as what I say wouldn't affect yours. When all is said and done, I think we'll just agree to disagree.

TerapinApr 29, 2015 5:02 AM

Apr 29, 2015 3:40 AM

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Terapin said:

Look at root cause of disturbance in the club. A lot of people are insisting on Yukino being a bitch because she's in odds with Hikki; unable to accept the epic greatness of the heroic anime batman.

The show goes to great lengths to give her actions a layer - of the entire dislike of superficiality, pretences etc etc etc. She even says that out loud. But consider this. As the coming events make evident, Yukino's problem isn't entirely or even for the most part with Hachiman's self sacrifice or compromise of ideals. This more has to do with her pride, and as Haruno eggs her on, she is gradually coming to realize that all this time, she's been repeatedly depending on Hachiman to get things done. Every. single. time.

Her current conviction is a way to build her own self esteem and restore her own pride. The show implies otherwise, but this is something we gradually come to understand, yet if we are willing to look, the clues are out in the open even now.

The obvious, self important and artificial explanation to her actions is something the show, to quote your quotation, insists upon itself. But the more fundamental, more human motivation is lies underneath the underneath. Her motivation is inferred by many as hurt at Hachiman's method, and a whole lot of people are insulting her for going about that the wrong way, desperately maintaining that his way of doing things is not wrong. And those people are not wrong. There is definitely some amount of concern for 8man motivating her actions. Now the adaptation itself takes the pain to imply that her primary motivator is disappointment. Disappointment at his compromise of brutal honesty. And that too is certainly not a wrong assumption. But as we go forward, it becomes increasingly evident that neither of these are answers. The answer is more base, more human and irrational - it is her own wounded pride, rooting from feelings of inferiority towards Hachiman's perfect solutions when they count - in the moment. Yukino's efforts to provide stable, long time solutions are ultimately futile. Hachiman always, always, gets results when they matter - no matter how brittle his results are.

Apr 29, 2015 8:58 AM

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Terapin said:

Red_Keys said:

But the characters behave completely unnaturally. These types of stories, the ones that revolve around characters, fall completely apart if the characters are unable to connect with the audience. Everybody acts like a weirdo space alien or something. There is no natural flow to anything. They say lines like they're reading off a script, and the tone builds it up like they're actually doing something important.

Everything's got a weirdly sterile and calculated feeling. Like I said everything seems scripted. Which, well, it is. But a story revolving around being human should make a good effort to have its characters actually appear human. There's no subtlety. There's too much self-importance without any content to back it up.

I blame the director, because I've heard things about the original LN that would solve some problems I have with the show.

I'll take a line from Family Guy of all places:

It insists upon itself.

Not going to say anything about the overall ambience or tone.

It's not class prez btw; the elections are for student council president. It's a big responsibility to shoulder, but I digress. She can't very well say no for reason that are well explained in the episode itself.

I don't find any of the characters acting unnaturally. All of them are, as I explained in the post above, disturbed to some extend. They're not making a spectacle out of it in the least, what with brooding in the rooftop or skipping school or something like that; what is the biggest thing that has happened insofar? Yukino disagreeing with 8man? Saying they'll work separately for this one? What is so sterile and scripted about that?

Yukino having to restrict her club activities is a real prospect if she runs for president, they have every reason to act distressed at that. You say there's no natural flow to any of the events; but isn't that true to these characters? They over analyse and try to find hidden agendas, meanings, in innocuous gestures. That said, aside from Yukino giving 8man something of a cold shoulder (meaning she's not calling him useless-kun or pest anymore), the club routine was not very out of the norm. The tension is overstated by the narrative, but understated in the character's actions.

This contrast is ultimately detrimental, however your point of character's acting unnatural doesn't stand. Their decisions and motivations are very much in line with their established personalities - now if you were of the opinion their personalities themselves were sterile in the first place - then it is understandable. As I see it, it is only now that the characters are breaking out of their established archetypes to flesh out the different facets/dimensions to their personality. That itself makes the story organic. Conflict augments development. For characters as deeply insecure, intelligent and quibbling as these; the smallest details are what spark conflicts or wounds their pride. These are trivial matters from an adult's perspective, but they think and make the world out of these trivial matters; because their small circle is the world to them and that makes them more human than any of the characters I have came across in anime in recent times.

I dare say there's a good deal of subtlety to the story and characters. The heavy handed narrative gives it a self aware, in your face type of vibe, but if you're willing to put that aside, a lot of the character motivations are still within layers of layers. The number of blog posts numbering into tens of thousands of words the four episodes aired so far has incited should speak something to that effect.

Look at root cause of disturbance in the club. A lot of people are insisting on Yukino being a bitch because she's in odds with Hikki; unable to accept the epic greatness of the heroic anime batman.

The show goes to great lengths to give her actions a layer - of the entire dislike of superficiality, pretences etc etc etc. She even says that out loud. But consider this. As the coming events make evident, Yukino's problem isn't entirely or even for the most part with Hachiman's self sacrifice or compromise of ideals. This more has to do with her pride, and as Haruno eggs her on, she is gradually coming to realize that all this time, she's been repeatedly depending on Hachiman to get things done. Every. single. time.

Her current conviction is a way to build her own self esteem and restore her own pride. The show implies otherwise, but this is something we gradually come to understand, yet if we are willing to look, the clues are out in the open even now.

The obvious, self important and artificial explanation to her actions is something the show, to quote your quotation, insists upon itself. But the more fundamental, more human motivation is what lies underneath the underneath. Her motivation is inferred by many as hurt at Hachiman's method, and a whole lot of people are insulting her for going about that the wrong way, desperately maintaining that his way of doing things is not wrong. And those people are not wrong. There is definitely some amount of concern for 8man motivating her actions. Now the adaptation itself takes the pain to imply that her primary motivator is disappointment. Disappointment at his compromise of brutal honesty. And that too is certainly not a wrong assumption. But as we go forward, it becomes increasingly evident that neither of these are answers. The answer is more base, more human and irrational - it is her own wounded pride, rooting from feelings of inferiority towards Hachiman's perfect solutions when they count - in the moment. Yukino's efforts to provide stable, long time solutions are ultimately futile. Hachiman always, always, gets results when they matter - no matter how brittle his results are.

I think there is genuine emotion to these characters without any external sources of drama. I've laid out my case, and it's not like anything you say would affect my opinion just as what I say wouldn't affect yours. When all is said and done, I think we'll just agree to disagree.

The premise of the show is by far its most contrived aspect: A club dedicated to helping other students with their personal issues, as though its members are mature enough to provide counseling for students their own age. Normally, people would be very hesitant in entrusting their issues to people whom they barely know, let alone to fellow students who can potentially make matters much worse.
Moreover, the club is home to an unusual bunch: The two people in school whose opinions would clash the most, and the fairly ordinary cheerful girl to diffuse the tension. These three happen to have been involved in an accident before joining the club.

I am able to stomach such a premise, and as a result, I see the show to be worth my while. The interesting characters more than make up for this initial deficiency as far as I'm concerned. Having accepted their unusual personalities, I agree that their actions are in no way unnatural. They always stay in character and their motives are always hinted at. In cases where they do go out of their usual ways, there's a sufficiently strong emotional factor behind it.

I found the show's general atmosphere (especially this season) to be very effective. Their body language, their subtle gestures, the background music (and sometimes the lack of it) nails the characters' moods perfectly.

Having said that, I can completely understand why some people would find the drama a bit forced: The conflict stems from the differences in opinion between the club members. They disagree with each others' methods and they each take drastic steps to do it their own way (two of them already plan to run for president). All this to help some silly girl with her almost childish request, which is to lose the election to someone awesome.

But I guess I'll need to reiterate: if you can accept the show's contrived premise (the service club and its weird members), then you should be able to enjoy the show. If you can't, that's fine. You don't have to force yourself.

Apr 30, 2015 1:03 AM

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NudeBear said:

skudoops said:

What? If anything he's the master of creating them.

lmfao true that.

All he's done is make shit weirder than it has to be.

this :D

Apr 30, 2015 3:04 AM

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@supracseduch I don't agree that the premise is deficient. Don't you think there is a reason for why the Service Club was created? Do you think it's a coincidence that the 3 characters involved in an accident are part of this club? Just something to ponder on...

Apr 30, 2015 4:54 AM

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Fawkey said:
@supracseduch I don't agree that the premise is deficient. Don't you think there is a reason for why the Service Club was created? Do you think it's a coincidence that the 3 characters involved in an accident are part of this club? Just something to ponder on...

I keep hoping that it wasn't a mere coincidence and that there's a perfectly rational explanation for, but right now, I can't find any. The circumstances behind how they joined the club certainly didn't look like it was pre-planned. Hiratsuka-sensei, seeing how "rotten" Hachiman's personality is, forces him to join the Service Club in hopes of rehabilitating him. She seems to have only thought of doing this after he submitted his messed up essay about high school and youth (see episode 1, season 1). And then, their first customer just happens to be the third person involved in their accident, and her request was about baking cookies. It was never explicitly shown what those cookies were for, so it's open to speculation. Their first customer then proceeds to join their club.

But who could have been pulling the strings here? Was it Hiratsuka-sensei? How did she know that Yui will need help for baking cookies? She must have been one hell of a social chessmaster to have planned it beforehand. There could be other suspects, but they're even less likely than her. It would have to be someone who knew about the main trio's accident, knew that they had serious personal issues needing resolution, can create clubs and add members to it (directly or indirectly through Hiratsuka-sensei).

Right now, I don't think there are enough clues to justify the show's premise. I'm not too bothered by it though, which is why I enjoy watching this show. I recognize that it's a premise so it can be as ridiculous as we want, as long as it thenceforth follows its own established rules.

Apr 30, 2015 6:37 PM

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I was already surprised at the animation quality improvement in this version (Studio Feel huh?) but that Yui scene was amazing. That was cute beyond comparison. I really like how they focus so many frames on eye twitching, hand movements, and other expressions to make it look more natural... I just guess I have to be on Team Yui now. I also liked a lot how Iroha sounded when she whispered... lol Oh, I suppose I should be noticing instead how she was being scary here? I think I consider her and Haruno more interesting than scary, but I'd probably not hang around people like that IRL. XD It still sounded nice anyway! Sakura Ayane is the seiyuu here, huh? Did I maybe see any post here complaining on Iroha's voice? Boo to whoever it was.

A very satisfying episode, I watched it only now and just a day seems too much to wait for the next one. That damn Hayato. That wasn't cool at all. I could see it being cool in other situations, with other people. But dude just don't get it. Haruno is right, people that goes about things flawlessly are quite boring, but when they think they know it better it goes to the point of being a bother. Iroha seems cool though. She reminds me a lot of Haruno, they aren't boring. lol It'd probably be interesting if they met~

More importantly,what was up with that Saize joke, reallyl, there's no Saizeriya where I live so... For real, what's up with that?!?! Just a random product placement? XD

...anyway, I guess one week after it aired the discussions already gets weird here. I didn't know MAL had it in it. Unexpected! lol

nitro_cyanide said:

LordBanana said:

Because he has such an extremely low self-esteem that he wouldn't even believe for a second that some people could actually care for him. This is his biggest character flaw imo

I don't think its low self-esteem. Hikki's in the burnt child dreads the fire category IMO.

You. Thank you very much. I was thinking no one else would be on the same page as me here. You're a cool guy. Keep it up.

supracseduch said:

Fawkey said:
@supracseduch I don't agree that the premise is deficient. Don't you think there is a reason for why the Service Club was created? Do you think it's a coincidence that the 3 characters involved in an accident are part of this club? Just something to ponder on...

I keep hoping that it wasn't a mere coincidence and that there's a perfectly rational explanation for, but right now, I can't find any. The circumstances behind how they joined the club certainly didn't look like it was pre-planned. Hiratsuka-sensei, seeing how "rotten" Hachiman's personality is, forces him to join the Service Club in hopes of rehabilitating him. She seems to have only thought of doing this after he submitted his messed up essay about high school and youth (see episode 1, season 1). And then, their first customer just happens to be the third person involved in their accident, and her request was about baking cookies. It was never explicitly shown what those cookies were for, so it's open to speculation. Their first customer then proceeds to join their club.

But who could have been pulling the strings here? Was it Hiratsuka-sensei? How did she know that Yui will need help for baking cookies? She must have been one hell of a social chessmaster to have planned it beforehand. There could be other suspects, but they're even less likely than her. It would have to be someone who knew about the main trio's accident, knew that they had serious personal issues needing resolution, can create clubs and add members to it (directly or indirectly through Hiratsuka-sensei).

Right now, I don't think there are enough clues to justify the show's premise. I'm not too bothered by it though, which is why I enjoy watching this show. I recognize that it's a premise so it can be as ridiculous as we want, as long as it thenceforth follows its own established rules.

It' only 2 people in the premise. To me it has always been a show about two social outcasts (as in "people without friends" even though Yukino is a "perfect char on the outside" type) dealing with "regular socialized people's problems", each one in their own way. And that's it. I wouldn't call them mature, either, just "different". lol

Yui it's the first guest-turned into series regular, but that doesn't make her part of the premise. Sure she is important to the rest of the show as the glue to keep the social outcasts not casting themselves away, but the premise comes from before her. The car is a weird coincidence set to have an overall arc over the whole season 1, but it's besides the point of the premise too. The show is about Hachiman being brought into Yukino's club and what follows that,

I always thought those japanese clubs needed at least 5 members to be official anyway. Maybe I got that from Chihayafuru...

May 1, 2015 3:03 AM

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Wow, I thought for one second that Hikigaya got invited by Hayama to get screwed for that guy's own benefit but good to see it's not the case. But the end there with Hikigaya and Yui though, I can feel it deeply :D

May 1, 2015 12:13 PM

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Before said:
The fact that Hayato stood up for Hachiman was quite nice

+1 That was a nice move. Serves those salty bitches right!
Man, Yui is so kind! Also Iroha is interesting.

PhinalPhlashMay 1, 2015 12:20 PM

May 1, 2015 4:04 PM

#364

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Ugh... I had to fast forward through all the pretentious crap. Meaning I fast forwarded most of the episode.

Please more snark and wit, less nauseating adolescent speeches.

worldeditor11 said:

Red_Keys said:
This show is painfully overdramatic.

Drop it while it is hot. Things get even worse from here on.

Aw shit.

May 2, 2015 7:33 AM

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I enjoyed this episode very much! Hayama was awesome. I expected Yukino to run for president but not Yui :/ it's bound to be interesting.

Y?

May 2, 2015 7:06 PM

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So what was the point of this episode?

I'm glad those other two girls got rekt (I wanted to punch that one that would not STFU)... but really? A trap for Yukino? (and not to get her to run for prez either)

May 6, 2015 5:56 PM

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"Now, I finally feel like I managed to end something that never started." Damn Hachiman. I felt that one.
"Panties! Pink! Unexpected!" Lol, this one was awesome.

Hayato drops the f bombs on Orimoto and her friend. Such a bro, pulling a Hachiman there.
Then he goes drop the bombs on Hachiman. "Why don't you stop making yourself a sacrifice?"
"Isn't the reason you help people because you want someone to help you?"

And we end this with Yui wanting to save the club. Good episode, in my opinion.

I’m always searching for something, for someone. This feeling has possessed me I think, from that day… That day when the stars came falling.

May 7, 2015 1:38 AM

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Well, that episode was kinda scary.

"Y"

Omne Solum Forti Patria

May 7, 2015 10:18 AM

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fookin' awesome.
5/5

May 16, 2015 2:50 AM

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What a good episode, I can hardly believe so much stuff happened in it alone.

Hayama bro of the year.

May 21, 2015 1:09 PM

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Sort of confused me this time actually, guess it has something to do with me being pretty sleepy. x)
Not sure what to make of Hayama's actions, but he seems like a nice guy.
Looking forward to more, oh the drama~

I almost never read discussions after I made my post, if you want to reply PM me or post on my profile page.

May 21, 2015 11:14 PM

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An episode without Totsuka is a bad episode, 10/10 would protect that perfect smile. Anyways, all that aside, I'm gonna burn this anime to the ground if Yui wins that stupid election. This ain't no joke you li'l sht, is this a game to you. I'm not saying she's useless because she's definitely not, she has helped make things work for almost 2 seasons now, but Yukinon has been born to be president, it's kinda insulting to the audience she thinks the best course would be to run against her (or potentially Hayato) when the main characters have always prided themselves on logical thinking. I'm sure she has a reason, she wasted an entire scene explaining it, but come on mate. Really? If you run, the club won't end? I would be thinking a 3rd party winning the election would keep the group whole 100% since she's one of the THREE people in it, so if I were her, my first question to Hikigaya would be if Hayato would consider running and if they can help him win.

And, is it just me or is Hayato finally getting some character development. I always thought Hayato was just everyone's pet so I'm happy he finally did whatever he wanted. (But I can't help but feel it was actually Yukinon's psychotic sister pulling the strings.) Eitherway, I'm proud of you, Hayato. Imagine how fast all this drama would end if Hayato just ran. Why wasn't he nominated in the first place lol. This is madness, this is just anime, why am I so emotionally invested that I'm worrying about it haha. I'm out, I'm done.

momiji-no-kimiMay 21, 2015 11:17 PM

Jun 9, 2015 1:49 AM

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Panties! Pink! Unexpected!

Jun 16, 2015 9:48 PM

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Saizeriya isn't upscale though....

I guess it was just supposed to be the girls' making fun of anything Hikki said though.

Jun 17, 2015 5:41 AM

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GarLogan78 said:
Saizeriya isn't upscale though....

I guess it was just supposed to be the girls' making fun of anything Hikki said though.

That's a mistranslation. He actually said that they shouldn't get something too heavy (as in food).

Jun 17, 2015 7:15 PM

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Fawkey said:

GarLogan78 said:
Saizeriya isn't upscale though....

I guess it was just supposed to be the girls' making fun of anything Hikki said though.

That's a mistranslation. He actually said that they shouldn't get something too heavy (as in food).

*shakes fist at commie*

Jun 17, 2015 7:52 PM

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Saizeriya is a common hangout place for students, so it was not all that strange for Hachiman to suggest it. Those two girls were a bit too stuck-up to laugh and tease him about it.

Jun 23, 2015 10:55 PM

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[FFF] wut? you alwayz late!!?!?
Damn Hayato, I couldn't think of what but you nailed those 2 girls directly straight to the point! Very Harsh but but nicely done!
I couldn't think what's up with Iroha.
This is Tomatsu Haruka's (Orimoto) most annoying bitchy voice ever!
Even Hayato trying to persuade Hachiman into telling to stop being a martyr.
Oh man! what's-up with Yuigahama!...she's totally...how should I say this...the whole scene was just perfect...the way Yui acted...OMG.
What's-up with Komachi imouto!?!?
4/5.

Jun 25, 2015 7:24 AM

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After leaving pending for some time this TV series, take it was harder than expected. I do not know the others, but I found it very exciting and difficult to understand the story, I enjoyed the storytelling. As absurd as we are in the opposite situation to what happened in the first season; there were drawings not to go, now is the narrative do not like and I think that was the best character design earlier and not to like this today.
It also notices that in this season the animations are too animated, it would take a little more than static.

Jun 25, 2015 3:10 PM

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This episode was stunning, a sequence of character-shaping moments for all the participants in this president-election arc. Each of those characters' suffering feels so real, I just want to hug them and tell them that everything's going to be ok in the end. I feel like Yui is the one with the keys to both Hikki and Yukino's hearts, I wonder if she'll be able to fix their friendship.

Jun 30, 2015 10:51 PM

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I'm finding it pretty intense to marathon this series at the end of the season. They really do manage to put a lot of emotion across without having to spell it out. Once of the best anime of the year definitely. But of the three of them, I think Yukino is the most emotionally wounded...

Please don't feed the trolls!

In my next life I want to collide at the corner with the cute transfer student
carrying a piece of toast in her mouth...rodac

Jul 1, 2015 7:12 AM

#382

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8man still the best hero xD

8man x Yui!
Please?

Dat after ED so interesting...
Zaimokusa & 8man's dialogue.. I really enjoyed it xD

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Jul 23, 2015 6:17 AM

#383

RafaelDeJongh

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Well that sure was a nice episode, quite a lot happened and that ending sure was cute!

Aug 29, 2015 10:42 AM

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Tengai

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Well, these high schoolers sure aren't your usual high schoolers.
"Y"?? Obvious as hell. Yui just confessed, right??
And what the fuck is wrong with that Saize?? Those 2 are annoying to the ears.

Sep 20, 2015 2:09 PM

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Red_Keys said:

I blame the director, because I've heard things about the original LN that would solve some problems I have with the show.

I haven't read the novels (I definitely plan to, eventually) but I think it's safe to assume that this anime is a bad adaption simply because it is impossible to adapt 11 volumes of a light novel into 25 episodes (episode 13 of last season and the OVA are anime originals). Needless to say, many things were cut. As it always goes, read the source material.

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Dec 23, 2015 10:08 PM

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The new studio has turned this into a steaming pile of dramatic bullshit. It's more cringeworthy than anything.

Jan 15, 2016 1:06 AM

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voice_enable

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Wtf was with the little sister at the end?

Feb 4, 2016 2:53 AM

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PrimeX

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Did not expect blondie-kun would stand up for Hachiman. Well he did owe him.

What's with Yukinoshita's sister really? Manipulating Hachiman to join that stupid date. Then meddling with the student election. Fuck off bitch. She's already graduated right?

Did Yui confess to him?

Dec 20, 2016 9:35 PM

#389

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I've finally just accepted that I hate this fucking franchise. I hate its self-important, pretentious angst, its 'downbeat for the sake of being downbeat' interactions, its endless faux-intellectual internal monologues, etc. Because being cynical is smart, right? Blowing every little thing out of proportion and making every exchange a competition is the zenith of a realistic youthful experience, isn't it?

0/10 garbage rounded up to a 1 due to systematic requirement.

Dec 21, 2016 1:58 PM

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LOL the reaction we got from those two was great. I wish Hayato had gone off a bit more on them though, I know I would've

The tensions surrounding Hachiman are getting a bit old for me, hope to see a return to a more upbeat setting.

Jan 18, 2017 4:35 PM

#391

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Good episode. It was fun as always.

"The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there."

"Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life."

Jan 29, 2017 8:33 AM

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I'm still on Hachiman's side and wish that Hayama would just mind his own damn business. You screwed up we get it, but at least leave Hachiman alone... Also Yukino should finally get her shit together. Not sure how I feel about Yui's solution to the problem, but at least she is the only one who shows some serious sympathy to Hachiman.

Jan 29, 2017 3:37 PM

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Biisoo

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Amazing!!!!!!!!!!

Feb 15, 2017 6:23 PM

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Arghh another two annoying bitches, how many more will this series have? And poor Hachiman has to go through this shit again... sighh. Hayato trying to make him look not like a loser was quite a big change, but I guess he's too kind for that type of behavior after all~

Feb 16, 2017 5:21 PM

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Every episode is very drama heavy. it's gripping. Hayama's kind of self-sacrifice to try and... Help Hachiman? That caught me off-guard. I mean, what he said is spot on, but out of character to say the least.

I am kind of going off Yukinoshita. I think I did always slightly prefer Yuigahama, and now it's completely clear. Fully support her!

And that girl who looks similar to Yuigahama is listed as a main character, so she'll be joining the club some time. Well, that should be interesting. I hope she has something that will make her stand out as more than just a lesser-Yuigahama though.

Apr 13, 2017 11:01 AM

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Once a loner, forever a loner. Well it possible to change someone but for someone who had mastered the art of the lone wolf. It not going to take just a day, I mean Hikki is obviously changing, he still had the same mentality but that normal since he still can't trust most people since all they had in their mouth is gross.

Well the girl from middle school is kind of mean, really laughing at Hikki and praising Hayama all day. God girls are really evil creature at time.

Apr 17, 2017 11:05 PM

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Thinking about it, I guess Hayama resorted to a Hachiman approach, which both of them found unpleasant.

Haruno is just another level, pulling strings. Sometimes I think there is a method to her madness, other times, I think she is just genuinely bored and loves teasing them all to shreds.

Felt like Yui at the end in stating not losing to Yukino wasn't even referring to the election, but rather indirectly towards Hachiman himself.

Apr 25, 2017 10:21 AM

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At first glance, it may seem like Hayama was being a bro to Hachiman, sticking up for him by committing that social suicide. However, I don't believe that's really the case. It's like he said, he wasn't necessarily doing it to look out for him. He was doing it more for himself.

There's this complicated theory surrounding the truth behind his sacrifice, but to summarize:

- The "Y" Hayama likes, is Haruno
- Haruno will go the extra miles to crush the ones she hates, meaning Hayama as he broken her younger sister's heart in the past. And also Orimoto for insulting Hachiman. This double date was suppose to be a trap.
- Hayama being the perfect guy, would have rumors spreading about him being a playboy if his classmates sees him having fun with two girls from other school, thus ruining his reputation. As for Orimoto and Nakasomething, the girls from their school might get jealous and starts bullying them.
- In order to avoid such tragedy, Hayama needs to come up with a countermeasure plan quick, which is why he had to beg Hachiman to come for the date, and have Yukino and Yui appear later.

I suggest reading this analysis. Some pretty interesting theories:

https://yaharibento.wordpress.com/2016/10/25/oregairu-analysis-truth-behind-hayama-hayato-sacrifice-hikigaya-hachiman-1/

Apr 26, 2017 10:23 AM

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>yaharibento

Please, no. Nobody should ever read any of that or take it seriously in the slightest, because a majoirty of it is made up.

Oct 9, 2017 9:18 PM

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I really like how Hazama stood up for Hikky at the double date, and it looks like it will be Yui vs Yuki for battle of president, even though it seems like neither of them want to do it in the first place.

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